Debian je od sada DEVUAN

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Ili su oni zagrizli preveliki zalogaj sa kojim se sad guše, a bili su dovoljno inspirativni prilikom toga pa im zato ljudi daju novac…
 
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Na Devuan mirror stranicama stoje Devuan (desktop live) 1.0.0 iso zapisi mada se ovde ne vidi da je više RC2 pod live izdanjima. Da nije ili jeste final? 😉
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Vlad:
Da nije ili jeste final?
Nije još…
 
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@Miki
Jeste 🙂
Plans are there to provide at competitive cost a custom, certified
image of this GNU+Linux based distribution, running ad-hoc software
with certified updates and a privilege escalation model that is
hard-coded and leaves no space for surprises.

Ovo je bio plan od samog početka…*ebe se njima i za systemd i za “slobodu” korisnika, važan je što glasniji marketing 😃
 
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Najnovija poruka sa Devuan mailing liste:

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On 5/25/17, Veteran Unix Admins [email protected] wrote:
[QUOTE]
Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.
[/QUOTE]
I’m really, really disappointed as no fixes from
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170509.130756.f871600a.en.html
are in.
[HR][/HR]
Dng mailing list
[email protected]
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] issues after update from debian 8 to devuan 1.0rc2 (with fixes)
 
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“Gde mi je minuli raaaaad?”…ovo neodoljivo podseća na Devuan 😃

 
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@Dragan Ovo je najbolja scena iz Radovana III
i tačno tako izgleda, što bi se reklo “Tresla se gora rodio se (mali) miš”.

I lepo rečeno, radi odma’ marketing na veb stranicama - sve da se vidi odma’ na “prvi pogled” http://news.softpedia.com/news/firs...for-debian-fans-who-hate-systemd-516056.shtml {270d}

Objavljeno juče, a “live” iso fajlovi (ili zapisi) postavljeni neki pre tri dana a “installer zapisi” ispravljani na drugim mirror stranicama pre dva dana. Da vidi se objava (u postavljenim iso fajlovima) i pre jučerašnjeg dana. Eh sada da li to više liči na finalno izdanje i ja moram biti pomalo sumnjičav kada je upitanju razvoj istog. 😑
 
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Although Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta has been powering thousands of servers and
desktops for the last two years and been extensively tested by the Devuan

Ovo je k’o iz Alan Forda 😃

BTW…Devuan flertovanje sa systemd nije očigledno samo onima koji ne znaju o čemu se radi.
Prvo: libsystemd im je i dalje prisutan u celom sistemu, sa obrazloženjem da je “bezopasan” i neophodan zbog zavisnosti.
Drugo: najnovije ubacivanje elogind sa sličnim nebuloznim obrazloženjem, meni samo govori da su u suštini foliranti i da im je jedini cilj da postanu “kalif umesto kalifa”…boli njih uvo za korisnike i slobodu.
Naravno, Debian je, uz sve mane i eventualne strateške greške…bar po mom mišljenju vezano za systemd…i dalje neosporni lider među slobodnim distribucijama. Canonical npr. je to odavno shvatio, ali Devuaneri to tek treba da nauče.
 
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Gledajući kolike donacije dobijaju, nisu tu čista posla…😃
 
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Jest…ne koristimo systemd kao celinu, koristimo samo sve njegove delove 😃
 
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@Dragan Јел’ може један мањи ELI5 за libsystemd0? Шта systemD може кад није активиран као init?

С једне стране, или користиш systemD у целости или не, али с друге… зар није боље ишта него ништа (у смислу, барем није init)?
 
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@Dragan Јел’ може један мањи ELI5 за libsystemd0? Шта systemD може кад није активиран као init?
Nije problem u tome što systemd ne može ništa kada ga nema na sistemu…problem je što libsystemd0, ako je prisutan, sutra može očas posla da se apdejtuje u execlib, i da ceo sistem bude inficiran…opet 🙂
Usput, ne radi se samo o init delu uljeza, radi se i o svim ostalim funkcijama koje su prisutne 🙂
 
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Da ne ponavljam(o) stalno šta je u suštini systemd:
NIJE SAMO INIT…to je najmanje bitna funkcija…suština je u tome da kontroliše ceo sistem preko svojih ostalih funkcija.
systemd - Wikipedia
 
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Dragan:
ako je prisutan, sutra može očas posla da se apdejtuje u execlib
Значи, у неку руку, Devuan тренутно није у нешто нарочито лошијој позицији у односу на TRIOS по том питању?
 
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TRIOS i Devuan su 2 potpuno različita sveta…ja se ne kurvam kao oni, ne živim od toga i sve radim iz čistog zadovoljstva 🙂
 
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TRIOS nema ni systemd ni libsystemd, ali me to ne sprečava da malo analiziram šta npr libsystemd sve može 🙂

[dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/REPACK/package/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu]$ readelf -d libsystemd.so.0.15.0 Dynamic section at offset 0x7f348 contains 35 entries: Tag Type Name/Value 0x0000000000000003 (PLTGOT) 0x80620 0x0000000000000002 (PLTRELSZ) 7416 (bytes) 0x0000000000000017 (JMPREL) 0xafc0 0x0000000000000014 (PLTREL) RELA 0x0000000000000007 (RELA) 0x8638 0x0000000000000008 (RELASZ) 10632 (bytes) 0x0000000000000009 (RELAENT) 24 (bytes) 0x000000006ffffff9 (RELACOUNT) 433 0x0000000000000006 (SYMTAB) 0x260 0x000000000000000b (SYMENT) 24 (bytes) 0x0000000000000005 (STRTAB) 0x3fb0 0x000000000000000a (STRSZ) 12527 (bytes) 0x000000006ffffef5 (GNU_HASH) 0x70a0 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libselinux.so.1] 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [librt.so.1] 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [liblzma.so.5] 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libgcrypt.so.20] 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libpthread.so.0] 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6] 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [ld-linux-x86-64.so.2] 0x000000000000000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libsystemd.so.0] 0x000000000000000c (INIT) 0xccb8 0x000000000000000d (FINI) 0x6067c 0x000000000000001a (FINI_ARRAY) 0x80338 0x000000000000001c (FINI_ARRAYSZ) 8 (bytes) 0x0000000000000019 (INIT_ARRAY) 0x80340 0x000000000000001b (INIT_ARRAYSZ) 8 (bytes) 0x000000000000001e (FLAGS) BIND_NOW 0x000000006ffffffb (FLAGS_1) Flags: NOW 0x000000006ffffff0 (VERSYM) 0x7da0 0x000000006ffffffc (VERDEF) 0x82bc 0x000000006ffffffd (VERDEFNUM) 15 0x000000006ffffffe (VERNEED) 0x84c8 0x000000006fffffff (VERNEEDNUM) 6 0x0000000000000000 (NULL) 0x0
Code:
[dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/REPACK/package/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu]$ LD_DEBUG=libs ldd libsystemd.so.0.15.0
     18100:    find library=libncurses.so.5 [0]; searching
     18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5
     18100:  
     18100:    find library=libtinfo.so.5 [0]; searching
     18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5
     18100:  
     18100:    find library=libdl.so.2 [0]; searching
     18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2
     18100:  
     18100:    find library=libc.so.6 [0]; searching
     18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    initialize program: /bin/bash
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    transferring control: /bin/bash
     18100:  
     18101:  
     18101:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
     18101:  
     18101:  
     18101:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
     18101:  
     18101:  
     18101:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
     18101:  
     18101:  
     18101:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
     18101:  
     18104:  
     18104:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
     18104:  
     18104:  
     18104:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
     18104:  
     18104:  
     18104:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
     18104:  
     18104:  
     18104:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
     18104:  
     18108:  
     18108:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
     18108:  
     18108:  
     18108:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
     18108:  
     18108:  
     18108:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
     18108:  
     18108:  
     18108:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
     18108:  
     18109:    find library=libselinux.so.1 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=librt.so.1 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=liblzma.so.5 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=libgcrypt.so.20 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcrypt.so.20
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=libpthread.so.0 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=libc.so.6 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=libpcre.so.3 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre.so.3
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=libdl.so.2 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2
     18109:  
     18109:    find library=libgpg-error.so.0 [0]; searching
     18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
     18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpg-error.so.0
     18109:  
    linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffce6dbe000)
    libselinux.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1 (0x00007ff44af2c000)
    librt.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0x00007ff44ad24000)
    liblzma.so.5 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5 (0x00007ff44ab01000)
    libgcrypt.so.20 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcrypt.so.20 (0x00007ff44a7f2000)
    libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007ff44a5d5000)
    libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007ff44a22a000)
    /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007ff44b151000)
    libpcre.so.3 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre.so.3 (0x00007ff449fbc000)
    libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007ff449db8000)
    libgpg-error.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpg-error.so.0 (0x00007ff449ba4000)
     18107:  
     18107:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
     18107:  
     18107:  
     18107:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
     18107:  
     18107:  
     18107:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
     18107:  
     18107:  
     18107:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
     18107:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
     18100:  
     18100:  
     18100:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
     18100:  
[dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/REPACK/package/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu]$
 
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