Systemd...iskustva, alternative, bojkot da ili ne..?

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Miki:
Ima li negde Kata download?
Za sada nema…Kata repo nije ažuran, trebalo bi inicijalne pakete prekopirati iz Mia u Kata, pa odatle bildati za testing, a meni dnevno nedostaje barem još 24 sata 😦
 
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@marecare
Već par dana ima kako povremeno bacim pogled na komentare u vezi tog faula…redom svi do jednog systemd-fanboys zamenjuju teze, lupetaju gluposti, iako je očigledno da je systemd u celini kao projekat, sjebana postavka bez budućnosti.
Usput, TRIOS ne može da sjebe nikako 😃
 
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Evo nakon 10 dana isprobavanja i eksperimentisanja, systemd i systemd-free distribucija, definitivno se vracam na trios… U toku prebacivanja podataka sam, za par sati ide trios nazad i ne menjam vise nikad. Ne znam prednosti novijeg kernel-a, niti sta jos sve tu postoji pa da mora biti na poslednju verziju. Probleme na koje sam nailazio ne bih da nabrajam. Nadam se da je dovoljno da kazem da je trios ipak najbolji. Naravno, ima nedostataka poput dodavanja repo-a, za svaki dodatni program moramo ici preko foruma. Ali bar znam da imam stabilan i siguran sistem. Zavrseno sa istrazivanjem i isprovanjem.
Hvala TRIOS team za ovo sto ste napravili.
 
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Рачунао сам на то да нећу морати да мењам 14.04 базу пре 2019-те, ал’ ови нешто муљају…
systemd (204-5ubuntu20.20) trusty-proposed; urgency=medium
  • Build systemd binary package.
    Drop installation of /etc/* aside from systemd’s own config files. This
    avoids a package conflict with systemd-services and we don’t want to
    support the full feature set anyway. (LP: #1616422)
  • Disable SysV init support.
    This just gets in the way when running systemd as a “deputy init”.
  • systemd: Add Conflicts: to systemd-shim
  • Create/use private D-Bus socket also for systemd --system.
    Without this we cannot use systemctl as root or when D-Bus is not running.
  • Do not read units from /lib/systemd/system, but from /lib/systemd/upstart/
    In Ubuntu 14.04 there are a lot of packages which ship a systemd system unit,
    but almost all of these must not run for running systemd’s service manager as a
    “deputy” init alongside upstart. We do need some of them though, so read units
    from /lib/systemd/upstart.
    Only install the system units that we actually need for a deputy init (journal
    and all targets).
  • Add Breaks: to init-system-helpers that does not yet have a disabled
    deb-systemd-invoke, to complete the previous change.
  • Add upstart job for deputy systemd init.
    We also need to clean up /run/systemd/system after stop, so that things which
    check if systemd is running don’t get confused.
  • Add dummy D-Bus units.
    These are built in for exposing systemd itself onto the system bus.
  • Drop LSB init hook.
    We must not redirect SysV init scripts to systemd when running as deputy init.
  • Stop systemd deputy upstart job on dist-upgrades.
    Also drop the removal guard as we do want to be able to remove the systemd
    package while it’s only running the deputy init.
  • Update Vcs-Git: for new trusty git branch.
– Martin Pitt [email protected] Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:14:54 +0100
 
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Tek će tu da bude muljavina sa demonim i procesima koji zabranjuju pokretanje drugih na istom pačovanom kernelu.

Jel to neko spomenuo secureboot? 😃
 
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Vladimir:
Tek će tu da bude muljavina sa demonim i procesima koji zabranjuju pokretanje drugih na istom pačovanom kernelu.

Jel to neko spomenuo secureboot? 😃
Meni samo nije jasno kako na rock solid bazu da jednim azuriranjem zamenis INIT, pa to je onda bleeding edge ne old LTS.
 
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@Miki Нисам сигуран да л’ је то резултат овог update-а… а VBox ми празан…

Ај’ неко ко има Ubuntu 14.04/Mint 17.x:
apt-cache policy libsystemd-journal0
… па ако је инсталирана верзија 204-5ubuntu20.20 (и ако је комп рестартован у међувремену):
ps -p 1 -o comm=
… па јавите.
 
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1443:
Рачунао сам на то да нећу морати да мењам 14.04 базу пре 2019-те, ал’ ови нешто муљају…
Hehe…pozitivna promena 😃
Iz loga se vidi očigledan otklon od systemd i (ponovno) ojačavanje upstart kao init sistema…izgleda da su u Canonicalu konačno shvatili da je oslonac na systemd bio brzopleta odluka.
 
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Miki:
@Dragan Koliko sam shvatio, oni postepeno brišu SystemD?! 😃
Što bi rek’o naš prost i napaćen narod: “Došlo im napokon iz du**ta u glavu”. 😉 😃
 
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@Dragan Мени само није јасно шта им значи “deputy init”. Ево и пропратни update:
init-system-helpers (1.14ubuntu1) trusty; urgency=medium
  • script/deb-systemd-invoke: Replace with /bin/true. systemd as pid 1 and
    for /lib/systemd/system/ is not supported in Ubuntu 14.04. It will only
    be supported as “deputy init” running as an upstart job and handling
    /lib/systemd/upstart/ (and /{run,etc}/systemd/system as usual). This
    completely disables the handling of systemd units shipped by Ubuntu
    packages, to avoid suddenly breaking them when installing them alongside
    the new deputy systemd init. (LP: #1616422)
  • debian/init-system-helpers.manpages: Remove deb-systemd-invoke manpage as
    there is no POD any more to generate it from, and it’s also irrelevant.
– Martin Pitt [email protected] Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:04:42 +0200
 
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1443:
шта им значи “deputy init”
Bukvalno prevedeno, to je zamenski init, a otprilike tako i treba da radi.
Praktično se svodi na to da će systemd init deo biti kontrolisan od strane upstart. Za ostale systemd servise moram malo detaljnije da prostudiram ko će šta tačno kontrolisati…uljez ili upstart.
 
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Sa Antix sajta o novom izdanju:
antiX-16.1 (Berta Cáceres) released

Bug fix version including all updates from Debian Jessie and scurity patched kernels.

Existing users of antiX-16 do not need to download and install. Simply update via the repositories.

So what is new.

Not a lot! BUT we have included 2 excellent new applications: live-kernel-updater and live-usb-maker.

Debian 8.7 (jessie), but systemd-free!
 
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Za one sa jeftinijim ulaznicama, TrueOS je ex. PCBSD, iliti jedan od derivata FreeBSD-a koji je namenjen početnicima, sjajna distribucija.

Čini mi se da je virusD lansirao u kosmos davno zaboravljeni i maltene “napušten” OpenRC. Nadam se da će sve više i više distribucija da pređe na njega kada uvide kakve sve probleme donosi virusD za sobom.
 
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@Dragan
Dragane, ako imaš vremena, voleo bih da čujem tvoje mišljenje o Void Linux distribuciji. Moj utisak je da je to hobi distribucija, ali mi je privuklo pažnju to što su prešli sa systemd na runit. Nisam baš oduševljen ni sa runit-om, niti ima neku bazu korisnika niti se nešto aktivno razvija.
 
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Iskreno, nemam nikakvo mišljenje o Void linuxu, nisam ga ni probao. Skinuo sam upravo xfce live odavde pa ću probati u vboxu
Index of /live/current/
 
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@Lazar
Pojma nemam, prvi put vidim tu egzibiciju, ali ne vidim nikakvu svrhu…
 
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